New High Def Photos of S-4:

More info on S-4!

Bob Lazar did NOT predict Element 115! May 1989 issue of Scientific American did!

The same exact year and month that Bob claims he was working out at the Top Secret S-4 Facility on Papoose Dry Lake, an article was published in Scientific American which gives all of the scientific and technical information that Bob would later use to defend his claims of an Island of Stability and a always yet undiscovered – though probably incredibly difficult to produce Stable Isotope of Element 115. As in completely stable, not just “relatively” stable (as in a few ms) as the graphs clearly imply…

“In the past 20 years all attempts to produce isotopes that lie in the expected center of the stabilization at 298114 have failed. Neither fusion nor any other heavy-ion reaction has led to the detection of these superheavy isotopes. Nonetheless, the basic idea of possible shell-stabilized nucleon systems beyond the stable nuclear droplets has been confirmed by the experiments described here. There remains every reason to believe that the theory can be extrapolated to even heavier elements. ” -Scientific American May 1989

This article was all that Bob needed to come up with an unfasifiable story about the Element 115… And then years later when Element 115 WAS created, in a laboratory, it was NOT a stable isotope…

4 isotopes were discovered, and none of them have a half life longer than a few ms…

For more info on the Element 115 Stuff Click Here!

The likelihood that a completely stable isotope exists, which has never been found anywhere in the geological record… Not even in meteorites… Is troubling for Lazar…

Element 115 Debunked – The CORE of Bob Lazar’s Story

Later discovered in particle accelerator experiments in 2003:

The first successful synthesis of moscovium was by a joint team of Russian and American scientists in August 2003 at the Joint Institute for Nuclear Research (JINR) in Dubna, Russia. Headed by Russian nuclear physicist Yuri Oganessian, the team included American scientists of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. The researchers on February 2, 2004, stated in Physical Review C that they bombarded americium-243 with calcium-48 ions to produce four atoms of moscovium. These atoms decayed by emission of alpha-particles to nihonium in about 100 milliseconds.

Was Bob Lazar Really the first to predict Element 115? Answer is NO!

Old Chemistry Textbooks used to show the higher elements predicted, though not yet discovered in the laboratory. Often with parentheses or a question mark next to the number. Assuming that Bob Lazar took High School Chemistry sometime in the late 1970s he would probably have seen something similar…

Bob could have easily made up the story about Element 115 from information available to any high school chemistry student.. Yet people somehow think that the discovery of an unstable isotope of Element 115 by scientists in 2003, somehow vindicate Bob Lazar’s claims of a SUPER-STABLE isotope of Element 115 with REMARKABLE ANTI-GRAVITY properties… It doesn’t.

Click Here for a more in-depth discussion on the Nuclear Physics and Chemistry of Element 115

Here is yet another example of a physics text from 1977 talking about the predictions of super heavy elements around 114… Proving that this idea did NOT originate with Bob!

All in all Super Heavy Elements are most likely NOT the key to Antigravity… Click Here to learn about some real classified cutting edge “alien” materials and science!

Bob Lazar Reactor Core Debunked

During the course of my investigation I tried my hardest to track down any trace of potential information related to Bob Lazar’s “Disclosures”… After 30 years, classified stuff tends to leak out in various ways. I went searching for any traces of those leaks… Please let me know if you come across any evidence for a catastrophic event in the years 1987-1989 which killed several scientists and was later covered-up as an unannounced nuclear test… He’s what I found instead:

Bob’s Element 115 Reactor Core mock ups and the story about the scientists that were killed appear to have been adapted from a real story called the Demon Core:

Another interesting fact is that a movie about the Manhattan Project which depicted the incident actually came out in 1989… called “Fat Man and Little Boy”

Here is a clip from the actual movie which shows the accident where the scientists were killed while working on this reactor core:

Note the Similarities between Bob’s description of the Element 115 Reactor core and the REAL Demon Core:
The Demon Core from the Movie “Fat Man and Little Boy” (left) , vs the Real thing (right)

A new automated set up for criticality experiments that was on display at the Los Alamos History Museum back in the late 1980s to show the modern advances in experimental safety:

(Bob’s Element 115 Shown in top right for comparison)

A few side notes on Bob’s technical descriptions of the reactor:

In Bob’s original technical descriptions of the reactor he said there were no switches or anything and that when the top half shell was placed over the reactor,

Another fatal change Bob made to the story recently on Joe Rogan was adding in the stuff about the reactor using Proton Conducting Perovskites into the assembly, which would completely negate the need for the element 115 in the purpose he claimed it was serving within the reactor…

Bob Lazar Hand Scanners Debunked:

We found Bob Lazar’s Hand Scanner in a 1973 Radio Electronics Magazine! PDF – Click Here To download it and see!

Another point of contention in the Bob Lazar case, and a piece of evidence recently presented by Jeremy Corbell as evidence of Bob really working out at Area 51 was his knowledge of these hand scanner machines…

Well, once again my research team has done their homework, far beyond what Jeremy Corbell was apparantly capable of…

In early 2019 Reddit users also discovered that the IDentimat hand scanners appear in the movie “Close Encounters of the 3rd kind” (1977):

“Sport Model” Craft Debunked!

In an interview he did with Project Camelot John Lear reveals that Bob Lazar and his pal Gene Huff begged him to sell them copies of all his UFO stuff, including the Billy Meier Stuff!

The more I’ve looked at this, the more I am convinced that Bob copied his saucer designs and descriptions from the Meier and Adamski stuff given to him by John Lear.

Technical comparison drawing by Michael Schratt

Note the similarities:

Bob Lazar’s Craft description:

Billy Meier’s craft description:

Look at these craft very closely… Did Bob copy his descriptions from other UFO stories??

The 3 gravity amplifiers is straight out of George Adamski’s descriptions… no technical science of data has ever been given about how these function…

You know… For example:

What are they made out of?

What is the geometry and frequency of the tuning?

What is the wave speed and optical properties of the material?

Stuff a real physicist, would ask and want to know!

S-4 Fact or Fiction?

One of the biggest pieces of Bob Lazar’s story that completely falls apart is his claims about the secret facility built into the side of a mountain at Papoose Dry Lake.

Rest assured that 30 years of intense research has gone into trying to find evidence or get information on this alleged base, and 30 years later we’ve turned up nothing!

Well, actually we’ve turned up a lot more than nothing… We’ve actually turned up a lot of evidence that nothing is, or was ever out at Papoose Dry Lake! Another Key piece of Bob’s story is a complete and total fabrication. If Bob was really brought to some secret facility somewhere… It wasn’t Papoose Dry Lake!

Map of the Nevada Test site showing Area 51 at the upper right. Site 4 or “S4” is actually off the chart and to the upper left at the Tonopah Test Range (TTR) indicated by the arrow. Area 4 is located within the immediate vicinity of Yucca Flats (Atomic testing area), and at least six miles west of Lazar’s “S4”. Note the perimeter of Dreamland airspace which cuts Papoose Lake in half. If a saucer somehow accidentally wandered away heading south during a test flight, it would no longer be within the jurisdiction of Area 51 restricted airspace.

Site 4 is actually a radar installation located in Tonopah NV, (70 miles northwest of Area 51), and NOT south of Groom Lake as Lazar claims. Maps of the Nevada Test Site clearly indicate that there is an “Area 4” but it is located at least 6 miles west of Papoose Lake (which is located off the chart and to the right). How do you explain this discrepancy? (see above map). Also note each of the tiny dots on this chart which indicate the location of an atomic test. Obviously, Area 4, Area 2, Area 7, and Area 9 would be highly contaminated with radiation (hardly the place for a secret saucer base)

Bob Lazar claimed that he worked between December 1988 and April 1989 in at the zone S-4

The Jerry Freeman Story

The Jerry Freeman story completely challanges the narrative put forth by Bob Lazar about a Top Secret Base on Papoose Lake called “S-4”. For if Bob’s story were true, then Jerry Freeman would most certainly have been apprehended for coming so close to the base.

To date, no credible evidence has ever been put forth to prove a facility ever existed at Papoose Lake, where Lazar claimed this top secret Government owned UFO hanger was…

S-4 Completely Debunked using the best, most legit resources: – – Another link to the best of the best information on Area 51 from the best researcher on the subject bar none: Peter Merlin.

Even George Knapp was forced to confront the Jerry Friedman evidence:

The Honeysuckle Ranch: Bob Lazar is a Straight Pimp!

One of the most interesting details in the Bob Lazar story was the fact that Bob Lazar helped operate a brothel in Las Vegas where he installed security cameras and a monitoring system in the rooms, and he was recording Johns and then using the video evidence to blackmail them! Here’s George Knapp talking a little bit about that:

Bombshell! 1988 TV special on UFOs reveals where Bob scooped his Area 51 Intel!

Small Zeta Reticuli Grays, The Janet Flights, and The Government Bible!

This video aired on TV in 1988, pay close attention to the content mentioned at the timestamp! It’s all of Bob’s Area 51, Government Bible, and MJ-12 information! Including the stuff about the aliens from Zeta Reticuli!

Aviary Members:

Captain Robert Collins – “Condor” – Special Agent Office of Special Investigations – involved in UFO Intelligence activities.

Ernest Kellerstraus – “Hawk” – Worked at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, involved with alien/ufo research.

Richard Doty – “Sparrow” or some believe “Falcon” – USAF Office of Special Investigations.

Jack Vorona – “Raven” – researcher into psychic warfare.

Ronald Pandolphi – “Pelican” – Deputy Director for the Division of Science and Technology at the CIA. Pandolphi has secretly leaked UFO information for several years.

If Richard Doty is “Falcon”… Was Bob fed Disinformation?

It’s certainly interesting that this character pops up every now and again, in the strangest of places…

Another Theory on Bob Lazar…

This piece of the puzzle.. along with a few other pieces (Bob’s EG&G Interview, and his affiliation with John Lear) has lead me to another theory on Bob…

What if he was really hired and brought out there and given a job? Except… that the entire this was a staged set-up run by USAF SO Counter-Intelligence special agent Richard Doty?

I’ll let you ponder on that one too…

The MJ-12 connections to Bob Lazar

In 1984, UFO hobbyist and film producer Jamie Shandera claimed to have received an anonymously mailed set of documents on film detailing the creation of a committee of twelve government officials and scientists by Harry Truman as well as a briefing received by Dwight Eisenhower. These documents discuss the discovery and cover-up of UFO discoveries in Roswell, New Mexico and a secondary site near the Texas-Mexico border. In The Demon-Haunted World, Carl Sagan notes the documents make reference to appendices that supposedly contain information about alien biology and the technology of their spacecraft, but no such appendices were included on the film.

The Cutler-Twining Memo (1985):

In 1985, Shandera and his associate William Moore received a tip to go to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) in Maryland, where they discovered what was called the “Cutler-Twining memo.” This memo, dated 1954, references a “NCS/MJ-12 Special Studies Project” but makes no further mention of MJ-12 or UFOs. The memo was later investigated as part of Project Blue Book by NARA, which found no further mention of MJ-12 (or variations on that name) in the archives. The document is widely believed to be a plant due to the fact that it doesn’t bear a Top Secret register number as do other documents in the series it was found in, and that its typeface cannot be matched precisely to any brand of typewriters in use in 1954.

The set of documents were released in 1987 by Shandera, Moore, and Stanton Friedman. Soon after, UFO skeptic Phil Klass performed a number of analyses on them, finding a number of problems with the documents. Among a number of other inconsistencies, the typewriter used to type them matched a model that wasn’t released until 1963 and Truman’s signature had been cut-and-pasted onto the memos relating to him.[3][4] The FBI conducted a joint investigation with the Air Force in 1988 after being sent a copy of the Eisenhower memo and determined it to be fraudulent.

In 1994, UFO proponent Don Berliner received an anonymous mailing containing documents purporting to relate to Majestic 12. Berliner later denounced them as a hoax. Throughout the 1990s, Tim Cooper and Robert Wood brought forth a number of other MJ 12 documents, which Klass also exposed as forgeries. Various documents not explicitly mentioning anything relating to Majestic 12 are often touted as “definitive proof” of MJ 12 by internet conspiracy theorists and ufologists.

Bob Lazar’s mother’s maiden name is “Berliner”!

They were classic disinformation, false documents created to play a role in real national security. They were designed and written for specific marks who did with them exactly what they were meant to. They took advantage of well-meaning patriots who wanted enhanced national security, and who, by being easy to fool, ended up providing exactly that.– Brian Dunning – Scientific Skeptic on the “Skeptoid” podcast episode “The Secret History of Majestic 12″

In those original documents, it says all alien materials must be brought to ” Area 51 S-4 “! Which is where Bob Lazar got “S-4” from!

The Continuing Investigation:

Please Send me an email If there is any information I missed or may have gotten wrong. I have tried hard to track down sources for all of Bob Lazar’s information, and am always looking for more, better information. So far I have tried to investigate every claim made by Bob and track down any confirming evidence or sources… I have to go where the evidence leads me, and all the evidence points to this being a fraud or a hoax.

The Zeta Reticuli 2 Corporation and defrauding of Bigelow Aerospace

I just came across this 1997 article by Glenn Campbell offering a skeptical theory about Bob Lazar and his claims:

Lazar Theory #1: Fraud for Bigelow Funding


Lazar made up the story on his own based on his own significant technical knowledge, his peripheral work with a contractor on the Nellis Range and the prior Area 51 alien claims of John Lear (aliens eating humans in a vast underground base), which Lazar “cleaned up” and made more plausible.

What was Lazar’s motivation? Money. Under Theory #1, Lazar cooked up the story to obtain funding from Las Vegas philanthropist Robert Bigelow, who was known to sponsor far-out projects.

Some details not mentioned in the article…

  • The registration for the “Zeta Reticuli 2” corporation is a public record at the Nevada Department of State, which registers corporations. Both Lazar and Bigelow are listed as officers. As the story goes, Lazar not only worked with Element 115; he managed to smuggle some of it out, and the corporation was somehow intended to test or exploit it. (So much for intense base security! How can a low-level employee smuggle what is arguably the most precious substance on Earth?) We still don’t know the purpose or business plan of the Zeta Reticuli 2 Corporation. The only thing certain is that it existed. We can also assume that when a private corporation is formed, its intent is to make money.
  • Lazar himself had no idea his story would get so big. He was just out to pull off a modest con (according to Theory #1). Almost from the day the story was broadcast (and he was identified publically as the source), Lazar has been trying to put the brakes on it.
  • Lazar has never been to Area 51! If he had, he could have described innocuous details of the base that any genuine worker would know — like the cafeteria or what you first see when you get off the plane. There are a LOT of people who can verify these details, and one former worker in particular (who I met) grilled Lazar in private about them and got nowhere. Funny that someone would be willing to reveal details of a super-secret saucer program but not details of the cafeteria.
  • Lazar had reason to be afraid of the government! If he had a security clearance, he could have been prosecuted for releasing classified information or any information about classified facilities — even innocuous non-alien information. (LOL! So maybe THAT’S why he can’t discuss the Area 51 cafeteria! If he had been there, he could have been prosecuted for that, whereas he can’t be prosecuted for revealing a nonexistent saucer base at Papoose Lake.)
  • FBI interest in Lazar was real. Knapp describes interaction with an agent “Mike Thigpin” who was apparently investigating Lazar. Knapp takes this as evidence the Lazar story is true. My interpretation, however, is that as soon as the Lazar story was broadcast on KLAS-TV, the government itself was scrambling for answers to determine if any classified (non-alien) information had been released.
  • Lazar says that he went public on KLAS only to save his own life. There could be an element of truth to this! Remember that Lazar first appears on KLAS in shadow as “Dennis”. If the government managed to identify him anyway and Lazar had a security clearance, then they are going to start harassing him. Every if the story is fictitious, he has certainly breached security protocols. The best way to save his own ass is to go fully public with his (fake) story. Then he is protected by publicity and the government can’t touch him.
  • Knapp says that Los Alamos denied Lazar worked there, but Knapp found Lazar’s name in an official facility phone directory. Proof of a cover-up? Not exactly. Los Alamos is a big place, with lots of contractors and sub-contractors. Lazar could have worked “at” Los Alamos without working “for” Los Alamos. There is no question he worked for a contractor there (which certainly would have given him a primer on government secrecy).
  • I remember seeing a document in the pre-internet era (although I haven’t been able to find it again) which purported to be an internal military memo, released at the time of the KLAS broadcast, confirming that Lazar had worked on the Nellis Range, but that he had never been to any “forward areas”, apparently meaning Area 51. It remains plausible but unproven that Lazar worked briefly on the Nellis Range and could have picked up many details of his story there. That he worked on the range and/or had a security clearance was reason enough for the FBI to take an interest in him after his claims were broadcast.
  • Lazar is a smart dude, no question about it! (That is, smart in technical ways, not necessarily in his own life choices or in the ways of other people.) Although he probably misjudged public response to his story and probably didn’t gain the reward he sought, he can certainly look a few chess moves ahead and say, “If I do this, then this other bad thing will happen to me.” That may explain why he hasn’t exploited his story in the obvious ways, like taking big fees for speaking at UFO conferences or giving interviews. (However, that hasn’t prevented him from seeking Hollywood deals. Maybe he is just trawling for bigger fish.)
  • In May 1989, around the time Lazar first went public, Scientific American published an article on hypothetical elements in that vicinity. Back in those ancient pre-internet days, everyone read the same magazines. Lazar was certainly well-read and intelligent, and Scientific American would have been on his reading list. It is conceivable he picked up Element 115 from there.
  • My ex-wife once worked at TTR and she drove back and forth in her own car between there and Rachel. She passed “Site 4” every day, although she swears it was labelled “S4”. It’s a radar facility on a plain with no hillsides you could build saucer hangers into, but this real name could have found its way into Lazar’s story. Perhaps he indeed worked there! (If so, then he might have attained a degree of legal protection by displacing it to Papoose Lake.)
  • Before making his UFO claims, Lazar was a friend of Jim Tagliani, who worked at TTR at the time. He could have told Lazar about “Site 4” on the Nellis Range as well as other information about range operations.
  • There’s nothing at Papoose Lake. Nothing. We’ve looked at it from every angle (short of setting foot there). The key thing is roads. There’s no road infrastructure that could support even a few buses a day, let alone a major construction project in the area.
  • I like this quote from my article: “True or false, I feel the Lazar story has enriched my life in many interesting ways.”


Requirements for Re-Evaluation: Discovery of a Stable Isotope of Element 115 as predicted and described by Bob Lazar. With the magic number of 184 neutrons, therefore, having an atomic mass of 299.

Lazar has never been able to confirm his educational background, or his scientific or metallurgical claims. If Bob could stand before a panel of physicists or even just one of his alleged MIT Physics Classmates… You can’t fake deep knowledge or experiences. The Government also can’t erase that kind of stuff… If you are who you say you are, you should be able to defend it. And if you can’t, I think that says a lot…

Special Thanks to Jeremy Rys, Stanton Friedman RIP, Tom Mahood, and others for their hard work and dedication to the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

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